TeddyKoochu
09-15 06:26 PM
Friends what are the predictions for the coming bulletins (Maybe it�s too early). My 2 cents, Iam assuming quarterly spillover to happen in December, believe that all residual 2003 / 2004 folks will get approval in the next 2 months (I hope Iam not being too optimistic).
Nov VB - 01-MAR-2005
Dec VB - 01-JUN-2005
If we stay on stable ground i.e. the dates don't go back (Its better they move slowly then go back, seeing the dates go back is the most painful thing) then we can visualize the spillover (this is our only lifeline) better.
Nov VB - 01-MAR-2005
Dec VB - 01-JUN-2005
If we stay on stable ground i.e. the dates don't go back (Its better they move slowly then go back, seeing the dates go back is the most painful thing) then we can visualize the spillover (this is our only lifeline) better.
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logiclife
01-23 04:32 PM
http://news.mainetoday.com/updates/008785.html
NEWARK, N.J. - A business owner from India was sentenced Monday to 20 months in federal prison for helping hundreds of immigrants live and work illegally in New Jersey and elsewhere in the United States.
Narendra Mandalapa must also forfeit $5.7 million and two luxury cars - deemed to be proceeds of his crimes - and pay a $25,000 fine, under the penalties imposed by U.S. District Judge Dickinson R. Debevoise.
Mandalapa, 36, was owner and president of Cybersoftec Inc., a business consulting firm based in Edison in 2004 and 2005.
Cybersoftec also claimed offices in Portland, Maine, and
in New Hampshire, and obtained more than 150 certifications in the two states for temporary work visas in 2004 and 2005 through the U.S. Department of Labor, the Portland Press Herald reported.
Cybersoftec, according to Maine Department of Labor records, also filed about 50 labor-certification applications in Maine for green cards, which allow foreigners to live and work in the U.S. indefinitely.
Mandalapa had pleaded guilty to immigration fraud, admitting that he got up to $22,000 from immigrants to file fraudulent documents. Those included I-140s, which are petitions for an alien worker to become a lawful U.S. resident.
Mandalapa has been in custody since his arrest Nov. 3, 2005. His lawyer, Bruno Bier, said Mandalapa will get credit for his 14 months of confinement and will spend about six months in prison before he will likely face deportation proceedings.
None of the indictments on 29 counts of immigration fraud, money laundering and mail fraud related to his applications for green cards were linked to activities in Maine. Mandalapa pleaded guilty to one count as part of a plea bargain.
Bier said Cybersoftec is no longer in business.
Our message to Narendra "Nick" Mandalapa : Enjoy prison. Maybe on the inside, you can sell contraband items just like on the outside you sold approved labor certs.
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Like someone said on the news article thread, the only difference between this guy and other desi companies (Desi means "of Indian origin") is that this guy got caught, while hundreds of other companies still sell approved labor certs with earlier priority dates.
And all this illegal trade is much to the delight of AILA, who is pushing hard to keep labor substitution alive.
What's in it for AILA? : Additional business of labor substitution. Now, for a few extra pennies, AILA would not hesitate to screw thousands of GC applicants waiting in line and enable the "Cutting in line" that happens due to labor substitution.
So if you think AILA is a friend of immigrants (legal or illegal), think again. Its a friend of $$$. And there is nothing wrong with that. Everyone pursues self-interest. That is what AILA is doing. But dont misunderstand AILA as a champion of immigrants (legal or illegal). It represents immigration lawyers, not immigrants. On a rare occassion, the interests overlap, and that's good. But on many issues, AILA has a history of being very very employer friendly as far as immigration law is concerned, even if it comes at the cost of employees(immigrants).
NEWARK, N.J. - A business owner from India was sentenced Monday to 20 months in federal prison for helping hundreds of immigrants live and work illegally in New Jersey and elsewhere in the United States.
Narendra Mandalapa must also forfeit $5.7 million and two luxury cars - deemed to be proceeds of his crimes - and pay a $25,000 fine, under the penalties imposed by U.S. District Judge Dickinson R. Debevoise.
Mandalapa, 36, was owner and president of Cybersoftec Inc., a business consulting firm based in Edison in 2004 and 2005.
Cybersoftec also claimed offices in Portland, Maine, and
in New Hampshire, and obtained more than 150 certifications in the two states for temporary work visas in 2004 and 2005 through the U.S. Department of Labor, the Portland Press Herald reported.
Cybersoftec, according to Maine Department of Labor records, also filed about 50 labor-certification applications in Maine for green cards, which allow foreigners to live and work in the U.S. indefinitely.
Mandalapa had pleaded guilty to immigration fraud, admitting that he got up to $22,000 from immigrants to file fraudulent documents. Those included I-140s, which are petitions for an alien worker to become a lawful U.S. resident.
Mandalapa has been in custody since his arrest Nov. 3, 2005. His lawyer, Bruno Bier, said Mandalapa will get credit for his 14 months of confinement and will spend about six months in prison before he will likely face deportation proceedings.
None of the indictments on 29 counts of immigration fraud, money laundering and mail fraud related to his applications for green cards were linked to activities in Maine. Mandalapa pleaded guilty to one count as part of a plea bargain.
Bier said Cybersoftec is no longer in business.
Our message to Narendra "Nick" Mandalapa : Enjoy prison. Maybe on the inside, you can sell contraband items just like on the outside you sold approved labor certs.
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Like someone said on the news article thread, the only difference between this guy and other desi companies (Desi means "of Indian origin") is that this guy got caught, while hundreds of other companies still sell approved labor certs with earlier priority dates.
And all this illegal trade is much to the delight of AILA, who is pushing hard to keep labor substitution alive.
What's in it for AILA? : Additional business of labor substitution. Now, for a few extra pennies, AILA would not hesitate to screw thousands of GC applicants waiting in line and enable the "Cutting in line" that happens due to labor substitution.
So if you think AILA is a friend of immigrants (legal or illegal), think again. Its a friend of $$$. And there is nothing wrong with that. Everyone pursues self-interest. That is what AILA is doing. But dont misunderstand AILA as a champion of immigrants (legal or illegal). It represents immigration lawyers, not immigrants. On a rare occassion, the interests overlap, and that's good. But on many issues, AILA has a history of being very very employer friendly as far as immigration law is concerned, even if it comes at the cost of employees(immigrants).
satyasaich
09-23 11:49 AM
First of all, IV is all about us. Any kind of change / help that brings positive changes to EB community shall always be welcome.
So far number of efforts have been made, and many times we were defeated by our anti-immigrant friends for so many reasons. But take a look at the following
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/08/13/greenspan-excerpts-housing-stabilization-key-to-crisis-end/
It's not about ignoring any specific group of EB immigrants.
Thanks
Satya
Most of us are waiting in line for years by sacrificing their career growth and earnings with the so called consulting companies. what for? To get a green card by buying a home here? Is it sensible? common. Bring some common solution to everybody, not for few. If you want to leave some IV members behind, then you may continue with this idea. your proposal DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE to me.
So far number of efforts have been made, and many times we were defeated by our anti-immigrant friends for so many reasons. But take a look at the following
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/08/13/greenspan-excerpts-housing-stabilization-key-to-crisis-end/
It's not about ignoring any specific group of EB immigrants.
Thanks
Satya
Most of us are waiting in line for years by sacrificing their career growth and earnings with the so called consulting companies. what for? To get a green card by buying a home here? Is it sensible? common. Bring some common solution to everybody, not for few. If you want to leave some IV members behind, then you may continue with this idea. your proposal DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE to me.
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GCOP
09-23 01:07 PM
nixstor,
I sent PM to you. Can you please consider and include that in the proposal. Thanks,
I sent PM to you. Can you please consider and include that in the proposal. Thanks,
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andy garcia
06-27 09:01 AM
According to Ombudsmn report a documentarily qualified applicant is an applicant with approved I-485. The ombudsman report is a must read; most of the threads will not pop up if everyone reads them.
In the same bulletin they use this defunition for Documentarily Qualified
Documentarily Qualified
The applicant has informed the consular processing office that they have obtained (after being requested to do so) all of the documents which are required to meet the formal visa application requirements
I think that the ombudsman is going one step further by saying approved it should be applied or properly filed
In the same bulletin they use this defunition for Documentarily Qualified
Documentarily Qualified
The applicant has informed the consular processing office that they have obtained (after being requested to do so) all of the documents which are required to meet the formal visa application requirements
I think that the ombudsman is going one step further by saying approved it should be applied or properly filed
cps060
04-04 08:39 AM
What are your options if the Canadian PR expires (go to CA get PR and come back to US) and you are still in the US ? OR say you are in your 4th/5th year of CA PR and then you then desire to go to CA, can you re-apply for the Canadian PR ? If you can, what is the procedure .... ?
Anyone who know abt this, please respond.
Anyone who know abt this, please respond.
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zCool
03-14 11:09 AM
If you aren't going to be in US, even if you have an agent, there's is a risk that they might call you up for an interview you may not be able to go to.
If you are hard-up on info and don't want to go thro' headache, try one of the reputed ones.. stay away from WWICS..
For couple of thousand.. if you can get little help and good advise, it's not bad.. but most of these shops are akin to Desi consultants in USA. Lie, Cheat and make money .. that's the mission statement..
Apart from that.. process and forms are on the web. Tricky part is getting a job and living in Canada .. It's a honduras with worse looking people..
If you are hard-up on info and don't want to go thro' headache, try one of the reputed ones.. stay away from WWICS..
For couple of thousand.. if you can get little help and good advise, it's not bad.. but most of these shops are akin to Desi consultants in USA. Lie, Cheat and make money .. that's the mission statement..
Apart from that.. process and forms are on the web. Tricky part is getting a job and living in Canada .. It's a honduras with worse looking people..
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dealsnet
09-04 01:06 PM
Are you wearing INDIAN TIE (Langota OR Kovanam or kaupeenam) only in office ???
Are you milking every day?
Mr.Nair tell me is it Gulf or Gelf. Do you still wear lunky in office or smoke peedi...enda peedi malabar pedi, enda CM EK nayar...he he :D
If its GOD own country...what are you doing there. Are you renting it mr.Nair
by the way how is omana kutty.
Are you milking every day?
Mr.Nair tell me is it Gulf or Gelf. Do you still wear lunky in office or smoke peedi...enda peedi malabar pedi, enda CM EK nayar...he he :D
If its GOD own country...what are you doing there. Are you renting it mr.Nair
by the way how is omana kutty.
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sobyb
05-01 06:19 PM
"No politics can justify killing of innocent people...if congress and India can not get over themselves and help fellow Indians" ... "It is a shame India does not act to protect the interests of its citizens even after this news came up"
The person who opened this thread is not clear about the difference of 'Indian Citizen' and 'Indian Origin' (or Ethinic Indian). Any kind of discrimination faced by these people in their respective countries should be addressed in a non-violent manner and the current world order has its own mechanism to check such acts by majorities/minorities (atleast you get the relevant attention/care if you are not on the wrong side). Terrorism is not the solution to any discrimation ..period! and carrying out terror attacks on the supporting country (Rajiv Gandhi's killing) would only worsen the scenario.
India should work with Srilankan govt to establish democracy, peace and equality in Tamil majority areas and make sure that organizations like LTTE doesn't get the upper hand once again in those areas.
The person who opened this thread is not clear about the difference of 'Indian Citizen' and 'Indian Origin' (or Ethinic Indian). Any kind of discrimination faced by these people in their respective countries should be addressed in a non-violent manner and the current world order has its own mechanism to check such acts by majorities/minorities (atleast you get the relevant attention/care if you are not on the wrong side). Terrorism is not the solution to any discrimation ..period! and carrying out terror attacks on the supporting country (Rajiv Gandhi's killing) would only worsen the scenario.
India should work with Srilankan govt to establish democracy, peace and equality in Tamil majority areas and make sure that organizations like LTTE doesn't get the upper hand once again in those areas.
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gauravster
06-04 03:01 PM
As JSB pointed out what you are asking already exists with an EAD, 180 days after filing 485 you can leave your current employer and join a new company as long as it is a same\semilar job. The problem with this same or semilar job is it is a ticking time bomb, the day USCIS decides to go after EAD they can have a restrictive interpretation of same and semilar job and deny your 485 or they can keep sending you employment verification letter rfe every couple of months. I am not being paranioid, for example even though AC 21 clearly states that once 180 days have passed since the 485 has been applied, the employee can join a new job and even if the previous employer has revoked the approved 140 it should not effect the 485 petition, but USCIS is not following this law and blindly sending 485 denial notices to applicants whose approved i140 was revoked by previous employer. Who knows what sort of abuse will USCIS resort to in the future against EAD.
To prevent this we should work towards an administrative fix that once the 485 application is pre adjudicated the applicant should be left alone and not issed any Employment verification letter rfe, or semilar\same job restrictions if they are back logged because of country quota and face multiple year wait.
The EAD/AC21 is still only available to those who are July 07 filers. There are many who have missed the oppurtunity. What many people are asking for is for something such that anyone can change a job after some given time, irrespective of Visa number availability. Even for those with EAD's, you are still restricted to be in the same field. So if you want a career move and do an MBA or acquire new skills to change your career, you cannot do that (unless EAD is for a dependent). If this is not pigeoning people, what is.
To prevent this we should work towards an administrative fix that once the 485 application is pre adjudicated the applicant should be left alone and not issed any Employment verification letter rfe, or semilar\same job restrictions if they are back logged because of country quota and face multiple year wait.
The EAD/AC21 is still only available to those who are July 07 filers. There are many who have missed the oppurtunity. What many people are asking for is for something such that anyone can change a job after some given time, irrespective of Visa number availability. Even for those with EAD's, you are still restricted to be in the same field. So if you want a career move and do an MBA or acquire new skills to change your career, you cannot do that (unless EAD is for a dependent). If this is not pigeoning people, what is.
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amsgc
12-13 11:11 PM
When I get a chance, I also talk to my co-workers and friends who are citizens, especially when they say - are you a citizen yet?
Surprise! Surprise! - many of them are unaware of this racist provision and the response you usually get is "that sucks man". So, people understand. Yes American citizens see that this is an unjust law.
If we talk enough about it, who knows, maybe some policymaker will hear it from his/her constituent.
Yes, we as IV are meeting lawmakers and lobbying, and media campaign too.
Just discussing if anything else can be done.
Surprise! Surprise! - many of them are unaware of this racist provision and the response you usually get is "that sucks man". So, people understand. Yes American citizens see that this is an unjust law.
If we talk enough about it, who knows, maybe some policymaker will hear it from his/her constituent.
Yes, we as IV are meeting lawmakers and lobbying, and media campaign too.
Just discussing if anything else can be done.
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GCBy3000
06-28 12:56 PM
Already it happened for other workers category last month. In mid july THEY WILL STOP accepting 485s if they receive more than they could process.
I did not see any precedance for stopping I485 in the middle of months for past 10 years. If it happens that will be first time
I did not see any precedance for stopping I485 in the middle of months for past 10 years. If it happens that will be first time
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gc_chahiye
06-28 05:08 PM
Still, just because DOS told USCIS "Visas are exhausted" doesnt mean they should stop ACCEPTING new petitions. They can stop APPROVING new ones, but why stop ACCEPTING new petitions. Visa bulletins guide the filing as well as approval of petitions. If visa bulletins is current, then they can both accept and approve petitions.
right, and the worry (as is also noted in the AILA complaint that someone posted earlier) is that USCIS can consider the update from DOS to be the 'updated' Visa Bulletin.
There is nothing that prevents DOS from issuing a visa bulletin at any time and making it effective then-and-there. AILA has raised concerns with this, that it is a problematic thing to do, but it seems to be well within the law. I dont think there is a chance of a lawsuit here.
right, and the worry (as is also noted in the AILA complaint that someone posted earlier) is that USCIS can consider the update from DOS to be the 'updated' Visa Bulletin.
There is nothing that prevents DOS from issuing a visa bulletin at any time and making it effective then-and-there. AILA has raised concerns with this, that it is a problematic thing to do, but it seems to be well within the law. I dont think there is a chance of a lawsuit here.
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at0474
12-13 01:23 PM
"Fairness or not is not the issue. Question is can it be challenged in a court? "
--I guess fairness is the issue and that is what you are asking for by challenging the court.
"As an unrelated side note, the current quota system is something that has evolved from past policies some of which was used to restrict citizens of certain countries."
--To some extent,there is truth to what you said. And it is there prerogative. There could be many geopolitical,societal, economic and national security reasons behind who they restrict and who they allow.
--I guess fairness is the issue and that is what you are asking for by challenging the court.
"As an unrelated side note, the current quota system is something that has evolved from past policies some of which was used to restrict citizens of certain countries."
--To some extent,there is truth to what you said. And it is there prerogative. There could be many geopolitical,societal, economic and national security reasons behind who they restrict and who they allow.
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alisa
06-28 08:44 PM
If USCIS do reject application without notice then we should file a big law suite...AILA will be with us..
Sure!!!
Nothing will come out of it.
Whats the difference between God and USCIS?
Atleast God doesn't think that He is USCIS.
So, relax.
In the worst case scenario, we will be no better off in July than we are in June.
Sure!!!
Nothing will come out of it.
Whats the difference between God and USCIS?
Atleast God doesn't think that He is USCIS.
So, relax.
In the worst case scenario, we will be no better off in July than we are in June.
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dealsnet
09-04 07:55 PM
CHANDUV23 THE TERRORIST:
It is easy to locate him in New York and give his details to FBI to check his links to underworld, VHP terrorists, and all other things. Your wife is doing residency. Right??
Hang on, you will be caught before you got GC and will be deported.
Wow Mr. Chandu.....Procliaming that he is has access to Admin rights and saying that he is not compromising on the security aspect as this is not YSR forum.....
This AH has revealed someones full name publicly where no one knows how to do that...except Admins....
Thats it Guys.......I'm out of this....
If I'm CHANDUV23, I would have retaliated from my posts so far...Looks like "_TrueFacts" is more offended than "CHANDUV23" offcourse we know both are same.....
Hats off Man....
It is easy to locate him in New York and give his details to FBI to check his links to underworld, VHP terrorists, and all other things. Your wife is doing residency. Right??
Hang on, you will be caught before you got GC and will be deported.
Wow Mr. Chandu.....Procliaming that he is has access to Admin rights and saying that he is not compromising on the security aspect as this is not YSR forum.....
This AH has revealed someones full name publicly where no one knows how to do that...except Admins....
Thats it Guys.......I'm out of this....
If I'm CHANDUV23, I would have retaliated from my posts so far...Looks like "_TrueFacts" is more offended than "CHANDUV23" offcourse we know both are same.....
Hats off Man....
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ardnahc
07-21 05:56 PM
I concur with all the folks in this forum here.
This reminded me of one of my experiences with Amway guys. This dude comes to me in a mall and started off with his usual "Amway - styled" conversation and finally said that he owns a site similar to amazon.com. That is when I realized and stopped him right there and said "We already have amazon.com, why do you want to open a new one?" he was dumb-founded for a sec then he pretended to attend a phone call and stepped away.
This reminded me of one of my experiences with Amway guys. This dude comes to me in a mall and started off with his usual "Amway - styled" conversation and finally said that he owns a site similar to amazon.com. That is when I realized and stopped him right there and said "We already have amazon.com, why do you want to open a new one?" he was dumb-founded for a sec then he pretended to attend a phone call and stepped away.
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lazycis
12-13 01:07 PM
Here is what the Supreme Court said:
http://supreme.justia.com/us/426/67/case.html
"The fact that all persons, aliens and citizens alike, are protected by the Due Process Clause does not lead to the further conclusion that all aliens are entitled to enjoy all the advantages of citizenship or, indeed, to the conclusion that all aliens must be placed in a single homogeneous legal classification. For a host of constitutional and statutory provisions rest on the premise that a legitimate distinction between citizens and aliens may justify attributes and benefits for one class not accorded to the other; and the class of aliens is itself a heterogeneous multitude of persons with a wide-ranging variety of ties to this country.
In the exercise of its broad power over naturalization and immigration, Congress regularly makes rules that would be unacceptable if applied to citizens. The exclusion of aliens and the reservation of the power to deport have no permissible counterpart in the Federal Government's power to regulate the conduct of its own citizenry. The fact that an Act of Congress treats aliens differently from citizens does not in itself imply that such disparate treatment is "invidious."
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The real question presented by this case is not whether discrimination between citizens and aliens is permissible; rather, it is whether the statutory discrimination within the class of aliens - allowing benefits to some aliens but not to others - is permissible."
The SC concluded that the statutory discrimination within the class of aliens is permissible.
http://supreme.justia.com/us/426/67/case.html
"The fact that all persons, aliens and citizens alike, are protected by the Due Process Clause does not lead to the further conclusion that all aliens are entitled to enjoy all the advantages of citizenship or, indeed, to the conclusion that all aliens must be placed in a single homogeneous legal classification. For a host of constitutional and statutory provisions rest on the premise that a legitimate distinction between citizens and aliens may justify attributes and benefits for one class not accorded to the other; and the class of aliens is itself a heterogeneous multitude of persons with a wide-ranging variety of ties to this country.
In the exercise of its broad power over naturalization and immigration, Congress regularly makes rules that would be unacceptable if applied to citizens. The exclusion of aliens and the reservation of the power to deport have no permissible counterpart in the Federal Government's power to regulate the conduct of its own citizenry. The fact that an Act of Congress treats aliens differently from citizens does not in itself imply that such disparate treatment is "invidious."
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The real question presented by this case is not whether discrimination between citizens and aliens is permissible; rather, it is whether the statutory discrimination within the class of aliens - allowing benefits to some aliens but not to others - is permissible."
The SC concluded that the statutory discrimination within the class of aliens is permissible.
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panini
05-11 02:10 PM
if you are Singhalese 40% is good for your start College, if not, you need 80% to continue for college.
Totally incorrect. I challenge you to prove this.
The fact is if you go to secondary (grade 6-12) school in a district that have the best schools like Colombo, Kandy and Jaffna (Jaffna used to have some of the best schools, now I am not sure), then you need to score higher than say from someoone from a backward district like Monaragala or Batticalloa that does not have good schools. This does not have anything to do with your ethnicity. It takes in to account that fact that those from areas with best schools with all the facilities have a better chances than those from less developed aras. So a Sinhalese from Colombo or a Tamil or a Muslim from Colombo needs to score slightly higher to get in to college than a Sinhalese from Monaragala or Tamil from Amparai.
Please do not fabricate this kind of propganda. Tamils do have equal rights just as Sinhalese and Muslims in the country. The core of the issue is this blood thirsty and power hungry LTTE terrorists does not want peace. They know that they cannot survive in a peaceful situaltion. That is why thet sabotaged all the previous peace talks.
The LTTE is right now cornered in an area less that 4 square miles. If the SL gov did not care about the safety of the civilians do you really think it is gonna take them this long to finish the LTTE. The reason is that the SL forces are moving very slowly and cautiously to minimize civilian casualties. The sad thing is that the LTTE terrorits are shooting at their own people to create a situaltion and get international attention. Isn't it ironical that the so called saviour of the SL Tamils Probhkaran now has to hide behind the saris of poor innocent tamils women to save his skin??????
Totally incorrect. I challenge you to prove this.
The fact is if you go to secondary (grade 6-12) school in a district that have the best schools like Colombo, Kandy and Jaffna (Jaffna used to have some of the best schools, now I am not sure), then you need to score higher than say from someoone from a backward district like Monaragala or Batticalloa that does not have good schools. This does not have anything to do with your ethnicity. It takes in to account that fact that those from areas with best schools with all the facilities have a better chances than those from less developed aras. So a Sinhalese from Colombo or a Tamil or a Muslim from Colombo needs to score slightly higher to get in to college than a Sinhalese from Monaragala or Tamil from Amparai.
Please do not fabricate this kind of propganda. Tamils do have equal rights just as Sinhalese and Muslims in the country. The core of the issue is this blood thirsty and power hungry LTTE terrorists does not want peace. They know that they cannot survive in a peaceful situaltion. That is why thet sabotaged all the previous peace talks.
The LTTE is right now cornered in an area less that 4 square miles. If the SL gov did not care about the safety of the civilians do you really think it is gonna take them this long to finish the LTTE. The reason is that the SL forces are moving very slowly and cautiously to minimize civilian casualties. The sad thing is that the LTTE terrorits are shooting at their own people to create a situaltion and get international attention. Isn't it ironical that the so called saviour of the SL Tamils Probhkaran now has to hide behind the saris of poor innocent tamils women to save his skin??????
vdlrao
07-21 02:26 PM
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...PR_FR_2007.pdf
Link for U.S Legal Permanent Residents from 2005 to 2007.
Link for U.S Legal Permanent Residents from 2005 to 2007.
chintu25
02-13 11:14 AM
Yeah I had the same confusion
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