dilbert_cal
04-06 05:25 PM
I do appreciate your detailed reply - especially on these forums where civilized discussion is a thing of the past.
My apologies for nitpicking on the DONOR definition and Congratulations on the new management philosophy you are going with. I hope you succeed in your endeavour.
Still I've some open issues. If you look at the poll, there isnt a single person who voted NO. We should expect to see a healthy mix of Yes,No and Dont Care. But the way the poll has been put and partly the wording, partly the current IV environment, people are sceptical of putting their real thoughts publicly. This excercise is futile if you have minimal 'NO's --- hope you are getting my point here. The only thing you might end up with is x number of YES and hope to translate the YES into more dollar value for IV and there will be some YES who are already contributing monetarily.
You are right in saying that we need to increase dollar contributions but tying it to frequent updates is not a practical thing. There are reasons IV Core cannot share their strategical plans with the masses and this is true in most places. By saying donate more and get more updates, we are setting us up for failures esp. if we expect 'real' updates. Even in an ideal situation, you will not have real changes every week and certainly not regularly.
And once again thanks for the healthy discussion.
All those who have voted - thanks for your response so far and agree with the sentiments expressed. For those who have not voted yet, please take the time to log in and vote - YOUR OPINION COUNTS!
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All I am really advocating is more transparency ...which should lead to more involvement as well. Thanks for your time.
My apologies for nitpicking on the DONOR definition and Congratulations on the new management philosophy you are going with. I hope you succeed in your endeavour.
Still I've some open issues. If you look at the poll, there isnt a single person who voted NO. We should expect to see a healthy mix of Yes,No and Dont Care. But the way the poll has been put and partly the wording, partly the current IV environment, people are sceptical of putting their real thoughts publicly. This excercise is futile if you have minimal 'NO's --- hope you are getting my point here. The only thing you might end up with is x number of YES and hope to translate the YES into more dollar value for IV and there will be some YES who are already contributing monetarily.
You are right in saying that we need to increase dollar contributions but tying it to frequent updates is not a practical thing. There are reasons IV Core cannot share their strategical plans with the masses and this is true in most places. By saying donate more and get more updates, we are setting us up for failures esp. if we expect 'real' updates. Even in an ideal situation, you will not have real changes every week and certainly not regularly.
And once again thanks for the healthy discussion.
All those who have voted - thanks for your response so far and agree with the sentiments expressed. For those who have not voted yet, please take the time to log in and vote - YOUR OPINION COUNTS!
...
All I am really advocating is more transparency ...which should lead to more involvement as well. Thanks for your time.
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meridiani.planum
10-20 08:51 PM
seems like people lost their interest in bulletin.. By the way I smell something becasue why its not released on Monday ?
that smell was just the older leftovers (Oct VB) being re-heated in the microwave and served again.
that smell was just the older leftovers (Oct VB) being re-heated in the microwave and served again.
hiralal
08-03 11:15 PM
Although officially so far, USCIS has not branded an I-485 status as "pre-adjudicated", if you haven't received any RFE and/or any other negative status about your 485, and if your case is outside the processing dates of the Service Center, then obviously dude your case is pre-adjudicated. I don't understand why most of the people are ignoring this simple fact. I think we need to stop consider USCIS a mystery box, and start treating it like an organization that processes the applications in a structured way.
I tend to believe that the offical status of being "pre-adjudicated" is coming soon. A few months back I read that USCIS is considering publishing another set of date known as "Qualifying Date" in their monthly visa bulletin. That date will define if you are "qualified" to file I-485. They will determine this date based on their workload. The idea behind is to avoid another July 2007 fiasco. They intend to process the 485's early rather than have you wait for your PD to become current. That way they will manage their workload efficiently and avoid visa wastage. They did indicate these applications to be pre-adjudicated then. I am guessing the official status of "pre-adjudicated" on your 485 application is coming soon.
well my view is that it is not that obvious !! say someone is in EB3-I with a priority date of 2004 or EB2-I with a PD of 2006 / 2007 - what would USCIS do ?
these are not the low hanging cases (as opposed to EB2 with PD of 2004 or EB3 with PD of 2001) ..or in other words - there is less chance that they will become current soon ..in that case, does USCIS close the case and put the file away or will they still pre-adjudicate ??
(I am not as informed -- since I have not read the article in detail ..and hence my post is more of a question ...)
I tend to believe that the offical status of being "pre-adjudicated" is coming soon. A few months back I read that USCIS is considering publishing another set of date known as "Qualifying Date" in their monthly visa bulletin. That date will define if you are "qualified" to file I-485. They will determine this date based on their workload. The idea behind is to avoid another July 2007 fiasco. They intend to process the 485's early rather than have you wait for your PD to become current. That way they will manage their workload efficiently and avoid visa wastage. They did indicate these applications to be pre-adjudicated then. I am guessing the official status of "pre-adjudicated" on your 485 application is coming soon.
well my view is that it is not that obvious !! say someone is in EB3-I with a priority date of 2004 or EB2-I with a PD of 2006 / 2007 - what would USCIS do ?
these are not the low hanging cases (as opposed to EB2 with PD of 2004 or EB3 with PD of 2001) ..or in other words - there is less chance that they will become current soon ..in that case, does USCIS close the case and put the file away or will they still pre-adjudicate ??
(I am not as informed -- since I have not read the article in detail ..and hence my post is more of a question ...)
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05-28 08:51 AM
"As backlogs and deficits grew, the agency ratcheted up charges to cover its budget. The longer applicants waited, the more they paid."
"Leaders of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services rejected key changes because ending huge immigration backlogs nationwide would rob the agency of application and renewal fees that cover 20 percent of its $1.8 billion budget"
"Leaders of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services rejected key changes because ending huge immigration backlogs nationwide would rob the agency of application and renewal fees that cover 20 percent of its $1.8 billion budget"
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langagadu
01-14 08:15 AM
That is funny.
Guys who are not from India, 'albert pinto ko gussa kyun aata hain?' is a Indian movie from 80's.
ko gussa kyun aata hain?
Guys who are not from India, 'albert pinto ko gussa kyun aata hain?' is a Indian movie from 80's.
ko gussa kyun aata hain?
sbabunle
09-22 06:57 PM
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ramus
06-27 08:09 PM
New members:
Please contribute now.... Nothing is free here. Even to maintain this web-site it need money.. Think how important information you get just by joining IV. And guess what if we would have minimum fee to join IV, lots of us would have paid it. But IV is so kind enough that they don't ask money to join it. But now it up to us if we want to contribute. New members and old members who haven't contributed yet please contribute now...Show that you are not free rider and you care about IV...
Thanks a lot...
Who is first?
Please contribute now.... Nothing is free here. Even to maintain this web-site it need money.. Think how important information you get just by joining IV. And guess what if we would have minimum fee to join IV, lots of us would have paid it. But IV is so kind enough that they don't ask money to join it. But now it up to us if we want to contribute. New members and old members who haven't contributed yet please contribute now...Show that you are not free rider and you care about IV...
Thanks a lot...
Who is first?
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h1techSlave
09-22 10:17 PM
No, we are not going to abuse this and we won't be sending stuff over and over. But stoppers have a very Specific significance: to educate and differentiate between legal and illegal. A stopper says "Stop the reverse brain drain"...A stopper would pique people's interest becase we are typically lumped in with illegals, and a stopper does not exemplify what illegals are. Illegal immigration's message is: "legalize us and help new guest workers come", our stopper says "We are already legal and are already leaving, fix this before we all leave"
Actually, many Indians with US Citizenship are leaving too. What I have seen with my friends and coworkers is that, the moment they receive the US passport they book a flight to India and come back when ever they please. If media picks up that fact, then what is our strategy?
Actually, many Indians with US Citizenship are leaving too. What I have seen with my friends and coworkers is that, the moment they receive the US passport they book a flight to India and come back when ever they please. If media picks up that fact, then what is our strategy?
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darslee
07-10 12:02 PM
If Martin Luther King Jr. can use the views of Gandhi successfully, why bother what we learnt in School?
Has anyone seen the statue of Mahatma Gandhi at the MLK memorial at Atlanta as well as a whole section devoted to Gandhi in the museum.
Huh? I was trying to convey that Gandhi's philosophy of passive resistance was so awesome that it had a strong impact on even a "little" person like me, growing up in Apartheid South Africa. And frankly, nations are made up of more "little" people than heroes ;)
Has anyone seen the statue of Mahatma Gandhi at the MLK memorial at Atlanta as well as a whole section devoted to Gandhi in the museum.
Huh? I was trying to convey that Gandhi's philosophy of passive resistance was so awesome that it had a strong impact on even a "little" person like me, growing up in Apartheid South Africa. And frankly, nations are made up of more "little" people than heroes ;)
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mallu
10-24 11:11 AM
PD - EB3 from Bangladesh
i140 got approved on Sep 2007
Fingerprint Sep 2007
I have seen applicants from Bangladesh frequently getting 2 - 3 month
approvals.
i140 got approved on Sep 2007
Fingerprint Sep 2007
I have seen applicants from Bangladesh frequently getting 2 - 3 month
approvals.
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sachuin23
04-21 12:54 PM
A Quick Question.
Can parents stay here for 5 1/2 months go back for say a month or two and come back again for 5 1\2 months? Would this pattern be suspected during visa renewal?
Can parents stay here for 5 1/2 months go back for say a month or two and come back again for 5 1\2 months? Would this pattern be suspected during visa renewal?
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10-03 10:15 AM
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Macaca
08-13 09:52 PM
Employment Based (EB) Green Card (GC) Laws
The yearly GC quota is 140K. This includes GC for spouse and children. On an average, GCs are given to ~60K families.
Each country is allotted 7% (of 140K) GCs (equally distributed among EB-1, EB-2 and EB-3). Each country gets 9800 GCs (~4K families) + unused GCs (in the last quarter) from other countries, if any.
GCs unused in a year can not be reused in following years. There were 376, 345 unused GCs from 1992-2005 (page 34); 50K were recaptured for Schedule A from 01-04 and 107, 586 were recaptured for family based.
The Citizenship and Immigration Services (CIS) Ombudsman Annual Report 2007 (http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/CISOMB_Annual_Report_2007.pdf) estimates (page 35) the submission of 500K-750K (yes 500K+) AOS applications between June 1 and August 17 2007.
There were ~1M pending AOS applications as of March’07. (pages 11 and 14 of Ombudsman's report)
USCIS can not determine the exact number of pending applications and a breakdown of pending applications by number of months pending and application type. Further, USCIS is not making any effort to determine these numbers. (page 13 of Ombudsman's report)
Administrative Delays
USCIS is 90% funded by application fees and is short of resources.
So far EAD renewal has been taking ?? months. With the additional applications it will take ?? months and we will have to apply for renewal after ?? months.
FBI name checks may be the single biggest obstacle to the timely and efficient delivery of immigration benefits. (page 37 of Ombudsman's report)
As of May 2007, USCIS had 329,160 pending name check cases, with approximately 64 percent (211,341) of those cases pending more than 90 days and approximately 32 percent (106,738) pending more than one year. (page 37 of Ombudsman's report)
The backlog appears likely to get worse, because the August USCIS fee increase has prompted a 50 percent rise in new naturalization applications so far this year.(Washington Post (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=85213&postcount=365))
USCIS has limited capability to produce reports detailing the status of long-pending name check cases. In addition, USCIS systems do not automatically indicate when a delayed name check is complete and the case can be adjudicated. Often, this leads to a situation where the validity of other checks expire before USCIS reviews the case. Those other checks then need to be reinitiated, adding financial and time costs for applicants and USCIS. (page 43 of Ombudsman's report)
Since 2001 FBI has intensified the scrutiny of immigrants with high-technology backgrounds. (Washington Post (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=85213&postcount=365))
What does it mean?
There will be 1.4M+ AOS applications by Aug 17 which will take 1.4M/140K = 10+ years. Thus, priority dates will remain retrogressed for several years.
Those who could not file AOS will wait for several years.
EAD/AP is valid for 1 year: long cycle of EAD/AP renewals.
If your EAD is not renewed in time, you will have to stop working,
Several employers (and rightly so) view EAD as a temporary permit and are reluctant to hire you.
You need to be in the same position with same job responsibilities for an indefinite time period otherwise your GC application will be rejected.
If you were unmarried at the time of filing, you will need to continue on current status (e.g. H-1B) otherwise you cannot bring your spouse.
Executive and Legislative Efforts
The only solution is to change laws to increase EB GC numbers.
EB Immigration reform does not have enough support in Congress (failure of SKILL, STEM, ...). As a matter of fact, it does not even get enough support to make it debatable, let alone final voting.
IV Hill Lobbying: manager's ammendment (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=948&highlight=manager%27s+amendment) in CIR 2006, July 2007 Visa bulletin reversal (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10097&highlight=huge+development).
Always ahead of others (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12135).
IV grassroot effort (flower campaign (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=106384&postcount=683) + San Jose Rally (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=114554&postcount=738)) was an important reason for retraction of July Visa Bulletin.
Your options: a) Struggle for several years b) Leave USA c) Help yourself by joining IV
The yearly GC quota is 140K. This includes GC for spouse and children. On an average, GCs are given to ~60K families.
Each country is allotted 7% (of 140K) GCs (equally distributed among EB-1, EB-2 and EB-3). Each country gets 9800 GCs (~4K families) + unused GCs (in the last quarter) from other countries, if any.
GCs unused in a year can not be reused in following years. There were 376, 345 unused GCs from 1992-2005 (page 34); 50K were recaptured for Schedule A from 01-04 and 107, 586 were recaptured for family based.
The Citizenship and Immigration Services (CIS) Ombudsman Annual Report 2007 (http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/CISOMB_Annual_Report_2007.pdf) estimates (page 35) the submission of 500K-750K (yes 500K+) AOS applications between June 1 and August 17 2007.
There were ~1M pending AOS applications as of March’07. (pages 11 and 14 of Ombudsman's report)
USCIS can not determine the exact number of pending applications and a breakdown of pending applications by number of months pending and application type. Further, USCIS is not making any effort to determine these numbers. (page 13 of Ombudsman's report)
Administrative Delays
USCIS is 90% funded by application fees and is short of resources.
So far EAD renewal has been taking ?? months. With the additional applications it will take ?? months and we will have to apply for renewal after ?? months.
FBI name checks may be the single biggest obstacle to the timely and efficient delivery of immigration benefits. (page 37 of Ombudsman's report)
As of May 2007, USCIS had 329,160 pending name check cases, with approximately 64 percent (211,341) of those cases pending more than 90 days and approximately 32 percent (106,738) pending more than one year. (page 37 of Ombudsman's report)
The backlog appears likely to get worse, because the August USCIS fee increase has prompted a 50 percent rise in new naturalization applications so far this year.(Washington Post (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=85213&postcount=365))
USCIS has limited capability to produce reports detailing the status of long-pending name check cases. In addition, USCIS systems do not automatically indicate when a delayed name check is complete and the case can be adjudicated. Often, this leads to a situation where the validity of other checks expire before USCIS reviews the case. Those other checks then need to be reinitiated, adding financial and time costs for applicants and USCIS. (page 43 of Ombudsman's report)
Since 2001 FBI has intensified the scrutiny of immigrants with high-technology backgrounds. (Washington Post (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=85213&postcount=365))
What does it mean?
There will be 1.4M+ AOS applications by Aug 17 which will take 1.4M/140K = 10+ years. Thus, priority dates will remain retrogressed for several years.
Those who could not file AOS will wait for several years.
EAD/AP is valid for 1 year: long cycle of EAD/AP renewals.
If your EAD is not renewed in time, you will have to stop working,
Several employers (and rightly so) view EAD as a temporary permit and are reluctant to hire you.
You need to be in the same position with same job responsibilities for an indefinite time period otherwise your GC application will be rejected.
If you were unmarried at the time of filing, you will need to continue on current status (e.g. H-1B) otherwise you cannot bring your spouse.
Executive and Legislative Efforts
The only solution is to change laws to increase EB GC numbers.
EB Immigration reform does not have enough support in Congress (failure of SKILL, STEM, ...). As a matter of fact, it does not even get enough support to make it debatable, let alone final voting.
IV Hill Lobbying: manager's ammendment (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=948&highlight=manager%27s+amendment) in CIR 2006, July 2007 Visa bulletin reversal (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10097&highlight=huge+development).
Always ahead of others (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12135).
IV grassroot effort (flower campaign (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=106384&postcount=683) + San Jose Rally (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=114554&postcount=738)) was an important reason for retraction of July Visa Bulletin.
Your options: a) Struggle for several years b) Leave USA c) Help yourself by joining IV
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sledge_hammer
01-15 12:57 PM
Any link between being a "legal immigrant" and getting jumped by a bunch of thugs and being killed while trying to resist?
I agree - these are things that have to be taken very seriously.
I am also hearing that desi houses are being targeted in New Jersey as ZDesis have jewelery in houses.
I agree - these are things that have to be taken very seriously.
I am also hearing that desi houses are being targeted in New Jersey as ZDesis have jewelery in houses.
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Humhongekamyab
01-15 02:53 PM
I wonder whether proper first aid was given to the person.
People do normally survive gunshots to leg!!
"He was near his home when somebody perhaps demanded some money. He was fired at and bullets hit him in the leg. Due to this, his arteries bled profusely which led to kidney failure," Murthy said.
People do normally survive gunshots to leg!!
"He was near his home when somebody perhaps demanded some money. He was fired at and bullets hit him in the leg. Due to this, his arteries bled profusely which led to kidney failure," Murthy said.
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GooblyWoobly
09-20 12:35 PM
Look guys, sorry for the outburst, and sorry Franklin. I thank you for all the efforts you have put in.
But see, just because you did something good, does not mean you should look down upon others!! Doesn't that make sense? :confused:
For example, how would others feel if, say, a person holding a MIT or IIT degree says "These other low end degree holders do not deserve GC before we get it first"? [ Now do not get started on quality of IIT/MIT degree, but it's perceived to be better by most people ], or people with a US degree says "These other indian degree holders should not get GC before we do".
Not everybody could make it to DC, but I'm sure a lot of them supported the cause directly (signing the petition, calling senators, supporting financially etc.) or indirectly (digging stories, telling the collegues and encouraging them, spreading the word etc.). Nobody should HAVE TO give an excuse for not being at DC, and HAVE TO be looked down upon if they didn't go.
What my point is, do not divide the community with "DC Goers" and "The Others".
As for me, no I didn't go to DC, and I don't see any reason to tell everyone WHY [ but I sure hope nobody, NOBODY had the reason I have ].
Said enough!! Please PM me if you want to discuss further. Let's not take the thread off the topic.
But see, just because you did something good, does not mean you should look down upon others!! Doesn't that make sense? :confused:
For example, how would others feel if, say, a person holding a MIT or IIT degree says "These other low end degree holders do not deserve GC before we get it first"? [ Now do not get started on quality of IIT/MIT degree, but it's perceived to be better by most people ], or people with a US degree says "These other indian degree holders should not get GC before we do".
Not everybody could make it to DC, but I'm sure a lot of them supported the cause directly (signing the petition, calling senators, supporting financially etc.) or indirectly (digging stories, telling the collegues and encouraging them, spreading the word etc.). Nobody should HAVE TO give an excuse for not being at DC, and HAVE TO be looked down upon if they didn't go.
What my point is, do not divide the community with "DC Goers" and "The Others".
As for me, no I didn't go to DC, and I don't see any reason to tell everyone WHY [ but I sure hope nobody, NOBODY had the reason I have ].
Said enough!! Please PM me if you want to discuss further. Let's not take the thread off the topic.
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logiclife
02-01 12:44 PM
Gurus,
At PortOfEntry, CBP officers are QUESTIONING IF you are working for the sponsoring employer and many folks just switched jobs with AC-21 with no valid H1B anymore.
Questions:
1. What are the Consequences at Port of Entry on travelling with AP and NOT working for the ORIGINAL GC sponsor?
2. Can anyone share thier experience what was the outcome at Port of Entry when the answer is "NO - I am not working with sponsoring employer anymore" Were they held at Portof Entry indefinitely ?
3. What Steps can anyone take when at CBP office/Immigration Official is NOT allowing you to re-enter US on Valid AP (I-485 pending) and you are NOT working for sponsoring employer and no valid H1B?
Did you or someone you know experience such questions at POE for an advanced parole? Or are you just posing a hypothetical?
I have recently re-entered on AP and not a single question was asked. Not only that, I was not fingerprinted or photographed at the counter like a visa holder would be. I was taken to the back office where an agent entered information from my AP into the computer, stamped the AP and gave it back to me. No questions asked. Period. This was at the JFK airport in NY.
Parole is meant to grant entry to resume adjustment of status. Parole is not subject to employment, it is subject to a pending I-485.
If this is a hypothetical from you, then please shake these imaginations and live in peace and enjoy EAD and AP.
Too much thinking and too much analysis has caused this community to revert back to H1 lifestyle and they are not using EAD and AP - ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS why we were all so happy due to 485 filing.
What is the point of having an early 485 filed, if you are not going to use EAD and AP and be at mercy of consulates for restamping and be at mercy of employers who will need to sponsor you to hire you?
At PortOfEntry, CBP officers are QUESTIONING IF you are working for the sponsoring employer and many folks just switched jobs with AC-21 with no valid H1B anymore.
Questions:
1. What are the Consequences at Port of Entry on travelling with AP and NOT working for the ORIGINAL GC sponsor?
2. Can anyone share thier experience what was the outcome at Port of Entry when the answer is "NO - I am not working with sponsoring employer anymore" Were they held at Portof Entry indefinitely ?
3. What Steps can anyone take when at CBP office/Immigration Official is NOT allowing you to re-enter US on Valid AP (I-485 pending) and you are NOT working for sponsoring employer and no valid H1B?
Did you or someone you know experience such questions at POE for an advanced parole? Or are you just posing a hypothetical?
I have recently re-entered on AP and not a single question was asked. Not only that, I was not fingerprinted or photographed at the counter like a visa holder would be. I was taken to the back office where an agent entered information from my AP into the computer, stamped the AP and gave it back to me. No questions asked. Period. This was at the JFK airport in NY.
Parole is meant to grant entry to resume adjustment of status. Parole is not subject to employment, it is subject to a pending I-485.
If this is a hypothetical from you, then please shake these imaginations and live in peace and enjoy EAD and AP.
Too much thinking and too much analysis has caused this community to revert back to H1 lifestyle and they are not using EAD and AP - ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS why we were all so happy due to 485 filing.
What is the point of having an early 485 filed, if you are not going to use EAD and AP and be at mercy of consulates for restamping and be at mercy of employers who will need to sponsor you to hire you?
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Hassan11
02-09 01:36 PM
My first PERM (through company A) was denied, as I told before, just because the PERM software automatically denies application with requirements that exceed "normal" SVP level. (Moreover, it accuses you in claiming that the requirements are normal, even if you didn't claim that!) I am not preparing a second appeal. I am preparing a second PERM filing through another company.
I couldn't really find any information about the appeal process on the LC once it is denied. the ironic thing is that my first LC was approved then after I got promoted to a senior position and applied for a second LC, the 2nd LC was denied because they think there is no difference between the 1st and 2nd position. does the DOL have an automatic system that processes the LC and that why it coudn't see the difference between the 2 positions??
where can i find more info about the appeal process?? any links to go to??
Styrum: did your lawyer give you any info on how long the appeal process takes? and the probability of success in the appeal?? Thanks
I couldn't really find any information about the appeal process on the LC once it is denied. the ironic thing is that my first LC was approved then after I got promoted to a senior position and applied for a second LC, the 2nd LC was denied because they think there is no difference between the 1st and 2nd position. does the DOL have an automatic system that processes the LC and that why it coudn't see the difference between the 2 positions??
where can i find more info about the appeal process?? any links to go to??
Styrum: did your lawyer give you any info on how long the appeal process takes? and the probability of success in the appeal?? Thanks
franklin
08-13 09:39 PM
I'll look out for the revised version and take a look - nice job guys!
best_mode
07-20 05:52 PM
See link to senate rule (particularly, Rule No. 4).
http://rules.senate.gov/senaterules/rule16.php
Cornyn's amendment is "general legislation" seeking to amend an "appropriations bill". To be able to vote on Cornyn's amendment, 60 Senators have to vote to waive Rule No. 4. Only then can the senate vote on Cornyn's "general legislation".
Sorry to flog a dead horse but the Dems should not be blamed; if they had voted to waive the Rule, then all sorts of general amendments would have been offered by others and tough to cast aside.
On the other hand, it is useful to know that more than a handful repubs support this amendment; this could be handy in an actual vote when Sessions or his ilk seeks to filibuster the amendment. We may have 60 votes to win cloture.
http://rules.senate.gov/senaterules/rule16.php
Cornyn's amendment is "general legislation" seeking to amend an "appropriations bill". To be able to vote on Cornyn's amendment, 60 Senators have to vote to waive Rule No. 4. Only then can the senate vote on Cornyn's "general legislation".
Sorry to flog a dead horse but the Dems should not be blamed; if they had voted to waive the Rule, then all sorts of general amendments would have been offered by others and tough to cast aside.
On the other hand, it is useful to know that more than a handful repubs support this amendment; this could be handy in an actual vote when Sessions or his ilk seeks to filibuster the amendment. We may have 60 votes to win cloture.
